Friday, March 18, 2005

Introduction

The views and opinions written by me (not including comments or quoted letters) are owned by me, Virginia Simmons, and do not imply a viewpoint or opinion of any other person or organization.


I designed this blog to allow you to meet Vernon Lee Evans, the next person to be executed on Maryland’s death row. You can write Vernon a question using the link at the top of the screen or by writing an email directly to MeetVernon@GMail.com. I will print out the emails and mail them to Vernon who is currently in a maximum security cell in Baltimore, Maryland. Vernon will mail me back his responses and I’ll post them here.

I welcome comments and emails from people with different points of view. You can email me at the same address: MeetVernon@GMail.com , just place the word 'editor' in the subject line. I’ve only recently started to write to Vernon, so I’ll be getting to know him at the same time that you are. I hope that this site is helpful. If it turns out to be a success, I'd like to help coordinate more.


More information about Vernon's case and the death penalty in Maryland:

CRIME
Vernon was convicted of killing David Scott Piechowicz and Susan Kennedy. It was a heinous crime. I welcome members of their families to post here or anywhere they feel comfortable about the impact that this horrible and violent loss has had on their family and loved ones. During the trial, the state put on an impressive case against Vernon and convinced the jury of his guilt. Vernon's state appointed attorney did not put on any witnesses. Vernon maintains that he did not shoot David Scott Piechowitz or Susan Kennedy.

NEW EVIDENCE
There was only one eye witness to the crime. Vernon's original attorney never brought her to the stand. He said 'she slipped through the cracks.' This witness told police that the shooter she saw was of average height. Vernon stands at 5'2". His nickname is 'Shorty.' Years after Vernon's trial, when the witness was finally shown Vernon in person, she said that he was not the man she saw shoot Susan Kennedy and David Scott Pierchowicz. There are store surveillance tapes that show her watching the killings.

MARYLAND'S DEATH ROW
The University of Maryland Paternoster study shows that there is significant racial and geographic bias in Maryland's death penalty system. Specifically, you are far more likely to be executed if you kill a white person than if you kill a black person, and you are far more likely to be executed if a crime takes place in Baltimore County rather than anywhere else in Maryland. The study shows that there is not a significant bias in terms of the race of the convicted person. The study was commissioned by then Maryland Governor Glendenning and cost the state of Maryland $225,000. Prosecutors helped shape the study and its results take all case differences, such as the severity of each crime and population, into account. You can find a brief summary of the study here. Vernon's April 2005 stay was directly related to this study.

DEATH PENALTY
More information can be found at The Death Penalty Information Center. This site has information about issues such as deterrence, costs, mental illness, race, geography and innocence across the country.

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This site was put up with a sense of urgency due Vernon's original April 18, 2005 execution date. It has been a work in progress and is intended to meet the changing circumstances of this case.

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57 Comments:

Blogger Hi ANNETTE said...

Hi Vernon, I was reading the news on the internet and I came across your web site and also wanted to hear what you had to say.I am glad first of all that you have this web site. i think it has & will bless alot of people. I would love though to see you speak more about the things of God & Jesus Christ your Savior while you still have breath & life to do so.You can serve God everywhere & at any time on your site.I will pray that you will have ears to hear & understanding in the things of God.To bless all who come to your site. God Bless You Vernon & if you love Jesus - that makes you my brother, so I'll pray for you.love in Christ Annette in Arizona

1/27/2006  
Blogger Dan Deere said...

This individual terminated his humanity when he violently took the lives of two humans and destroyed countless other members of their family. He has lived on while the people he killed have been stilled and the souls of their families diminished. His time to face his punishment really has been drawn out beyond what he deserves. While American prison life is tough, it is life, which is less than what he gave his victims. Mr. Evans is not judged on what he is today, but on what he did. His termination can not come too swiftly.

1/28/2006  
Blogger rockmonkey said...

I read about this site in the Guardian newspaper in the U.K (I am a Brit)and was intrigued. As a citizen of a country that has not had the death penalty for over 40 years, I fail to see what the termination of another life will achieve. If, as Vernon says, he is innocent then an execution is a gross miscarriage of justice. If guilty, a life where there is no freedom is punishment. Vernon, may you meet your death with dignity - no-one deserves to die for a crime, whether they committed it or not. America, perhaps you should start practising those christian values you preach to the rest of the world. I suggest starting with forgiveness and get rid of the death penalty.

1/28/2006  
Blogger Mind_Over_Matter said...

To: rockmonkey


Thank you for your comments.

Now, might I respectfully suggest you mind your own business and tend to your own country's welfare?

1/28/2006  
Blogger Linda said...

You were convicted in a murder for hire scheme to keep the Piechowicz's from testifying against Anthony Granidison federal narcotics case. You were paid $9000 to kill these people, after the hit, you told your girlfriend to wipe the smoking MAC-11 machine pistol equipped with a silencer or noise suppressor, then you and she went shopping at the mall to spend some of you ill gotten gains. Your girlfriend testified against you. She was with you when you went to the prison to be hired by Granidison. She told how you had her "case the joint." The person who sold you the gun testified against you. Several witnesses placed you at the scene of the crime. For example, Etta Horne, who worked at the motel, identified you were the man she saw sitting in the motel lobby shortly before the murders. Helen Kondilidis, who had entered the motel shortly before the murders, also identified you as the man she saw sitting in the lobby. It was only by the grace of God that Cheryl Piechowicz was not working that you, so you murdered her sister instead because you did not know what Cheryl looked like. Cheryl was able to testify against Grandison and he now is on death row with you, the hitman!!! There were 2 black jurors and one black alternative juror.

Yet you expect any reasonable person to BELIEVE your innocence because someone, not even close to the murder, saying your were taller, or maybe it was just the MAC-11 that made you taller? If there was an injustice do you not believe those two black jurors would have held out against the death penalty?

How can you claim you are innocent? God will not forgive you unless you admit your crime. Do you expect to go to your maker with this lie on your lips? Isn't it funny how harden criminals always claim they have become born again Christians while on death row...anything to help the public press. You were a terrible parent and a terrible person.

So how can we believe you when you say you are innocent? I don't believe this blog will print this because it does not twist the fact to show "how innocent" you are. Even Jesus said we had to obey man's laws. The only injustice I see is you are still alive 20 years longer than the people you murdered!

1/29/2006  
Blogger Linda said...

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1/29/2006  
Blogger Expert RN said...

I am a trained medical professional (educated at Johns Hopkins) and am sickened by the latest ploys to stay the execution. The ridiculous claim that an IV insertion would be "cruel and unusual punishment" - due to Vernon's years of heroin use is ignorant. There are hundreds of thousands of people who have complex medical problems (including years of drug abuse)which make obtaining access very difficult. There are multiple methods of gaining access in these situations. Most can be done at the bedside- from a minimally trained resident or intern. They have minimal risk of complications, and are considered to be common procedures. Furthermore, the prison RN stated that his veins appear to be in "good shape". I would consider her opinion to be more valid as I have never seen an MD insert a "normal" IV. I would be thrilled to volunteer and help the prison RN obtain an IV in a "cruelty- free" fashion.
Finally- need I mention that Vernon gave little thought to his victims. I'd bet that there death was far from painless. So why should his be?

1/29/2006  
Blogger miholo said...

Mind_Over_Matter said...

"Now, might I respectfully suggest you mind your own business and tend to your own country's welfare?"

Funny, that's how most of the rest of the world feels about the US (and its military bases in over 60 different countries -- not even the British Empire ever came close to that).

If the US can speak out about human rights and lack of democracy in other countries (and it should), others have the right, even the duty, to make an appeal to the conscience of their brothers and sisters in the US. The US is the last western democracy that still practices the death penalty.

The death penalty is a moral issue that transcends borders. No true Christian who actually believes in the Gospel can in good conscience remain silent about it.

1/30/2006  
Blogger metallicaMobes said...

i really can't understand how people equate the death penalty with some violation of christianity. the left always touts this flawed cliche and scolds us for our "hypocrisy" and "lack of compassion." where does it ever say in the Bible that the death penalty is immoral? don't give me "thou shalt not kill" because murdering someone in cold blood and executing that person in the pursuit of justice are simply not even close to being the same thing. throughout the bible, God has sanctioned the ending of many people's lives, be it through wars or punishments for sins. you can be against the death penalty for many reasons, and i accept that, it's your right- but do not throw up this BS about how all of us right winger fundamentalist christians are being hypocrits and shaming our religion. you clearly have little understanding of true christianity if you believe this simpleton interpretation. christianity isn't about how God loves everyone and how Jesus is our friend. It's about escaping God's awesome and terrible Justice through his mercy. It's not a warm and fuzzy religion, it's not a feel-good happy-times coom-bi-yah sing-a-long. It's a hard and tedious struggle, and i'm sick and tired of people on the left reducing christianity to "being nice to everyone." Jesus came bringing a sword to cleave man from wife, father from son, mother from daughter. He didn't come with puppies and flowers and mindbending magic mushrooms. get a grip on reality. as this dirt-bag demonstrates, mankind is a disgusting and evil race. spare us your high-horse preaching about "The Gospels" on which you clearly have no grasp. execute this murderer.

1/30/2006  
Blogger RangerBrad said...

Thank you Linda!
I am not surprised the "Author" sensored your other comments. Did you notice the press/candle burning coverage for the childrens book author/gang founder TwoKey Williams, compaired to the 82 year old wheelchair bound white man who was also "California injected" two weeks later? That explains it all, as does this anti-death penalty blog site that does not educate it's reader's to the full legal case by the Prosecution. You want us to believe in your cause but don't want to present all the evidence against your case! We have to rely on Linda or our own web research to find the truth. Vernon: Death to you with the same MAC-11 that sits in the Maryland PD Property/evidence Room.

RockMonkey: My father became 100% disabled from WWII battle wounds in Europe. Where would you be today had the USA not bailed your butts out? We first rid Europe of Hitler, then established US Bases around the world that protected you and bankrupted Russia, while providing Democracy and Freedom to others. You owe your existance to the USA! You should bow to your Queen and apologize to the ghost of Winston Churchill.

1/30/2006  
Blogger John said...

My brother was murdered by the same person who tried to kill me but failed in my case. They damaged my brain though which gave me epilepsy which is a problem I have to suffer the rest of my life. Prison gets the person who kills to face what they did.There's no way I would want the killer and my attempted murderer killed by the state.I want that person to face what they did and learn what terror they caused. I can talk to a killer in prison. I cannot talk to a dead body. Execution is a pointless and brutal activity that actually denies the victim a chance to express the anger and have that anger heard by the person who kills on a human level. Murder the murderer? Sorry I'm not at that level. The crimes against my dead brother and I happened in the UK. Fortunately We do not have the death penalty and I am in occasional contact with the killer. Therapeutically that is better for me and ultimately for them. I live with the consequence of those crimes (knifed and head-beaten) everyday. An execution is no close for me. Talking to the killer is.

1/30/2006  
Blogger miholo said...

metallicamobes: "christianity [sic] isn't about how God loves everyone and how Jesus is our friend. It's about escaping God's awesome and terrible Justice through his mercy. "

What you describe is not Christianity. It is a religion based on one particular interpretation of the Old-Testament -- a collection of books with disparate and often contradictory theologies that you can pick-and-chose from to support about any position (and, if you know your history of religion, it is astounding to see the radically different positions have been justified based on those texts).

However, there is no ambiguity whatsoever in God's word as brought to us directly by Jesus Christ. CHRISTianity is by definition the religion of Christ's Gospel. It is the religion of the Sermon on the Mount, of the Beatitudes, of the one New Commandment that supersedes all others. It is a radical message, and a difficult one that requires true courage. Anger, fear and revenge are easy, the fast-food of religion -- cheap, self-indulgent, fattening, and bad for you. Or, dropping the poor analogy, perilously bad for your soul. The message of the Gospel puts far more awesome demands on you, on your heart and on your fortitude, than that fire-and-brimstone, rage-and-revenge moral corruption that is mendaciously sold under the label of Christianity. You may chose to believe in it. Just don't call it the religion of Christ.

1/30/2006  
Blogger miholo said...

rangerbrad -- "You owe your existance to the USA!"

Well, the US owes it's existence to Britain -- without Britain there would have been no colonies, language, culture, laws, and even the ideology for the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Well, actually, the ideology for the Revolution is mostly owed to France. Speaking of which, without France the US might still be a colony of said Britain...

The point is, don't let hubris blind you so.

The US is heir to a lot of the Western tradition. Every single other country in that tradition, all of Europe, all of Latin America, some 30 or 40 different countries with widely different politics, languages, cultures -- all of them, every single one has reached a clear moral conclusion regarding the death penalty. Don't let hubris blind you so -- try to listen to and understand what others, brothers and sisters in your heritage of culture and values, are trying to tell you in good faith.

1/30/2006  
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1/31/2006  
Blogger andreagori said...

Hi Veron, I'm 15. I'm an italian boy. I want only to say u that in all Italy the press speake about you. We are against the death sentence! We say that the life is the most important gift of our God, people shouldn't decide about life! We are with you, you aren't alone!AG

1/31/2006  
Blogger andreagori said...

fpzhI spoke at school of the death sentence, and also a my friend who haven't got a PC wanted to write in this blog something:
"On my opinion a penalty mustn't have only a punitive function, but also a preventive and education function. The death penalty is then senseless and cruel. Jesus came to the earth and gave us eternal life, and forgave us. But instead of forgiving we kill. I deeply hope that you won't be deprived of your greatest gift: you yourself. Cecilia Tavanti.

2/01/2006  
Blogger philisophical said...

Is it cruel and unusual punishment to put an animal to sleep that has killed a person? We as humans are considered primates a part of the animal kingdom. We as part of that animal kingdom have animal tendencies. This is why we have laws against murder and penalties for breaking those laws. As draconian as it may sound, this country still believes in an eye for an eye which goes further back to Hammurabi who, lived before the time of Moses and the Ten Commandments. Hammurabi coined the phrase an- eye- for- an- eye.
I do not believe we need draconian laws but the rest of society does.
Lethal injection is not cruel and unusal punishment. One simply goes to sleep and stops breathing. An animal who is put to sleep stops breathing and that's it. That's why we call it being put to sleep.
As a primate with animal tendencies, you did not curb your desire to murder. While we have animal tendencies, we have a higher conscience. This is what is called right from wrong and to commit a crime one has to turn off the right and wrong switch.
My point is the death penalty as dictated by our society is the consequence for turning off the right and wrong switch.
If Vernon could have felt the fear these people felt while they were being mudered, I wonder if he would have turned the right and wrong switch to on.
Vernon's problem is that he is facing that same fear that those he murdered faced. That is what the death penalty is all about. Reliving the fear one placed on those whom he/she murdered. It is not about how cruel or unusal it is but the fear of knowing you will not be around any longer. It is the fight for life that is in born within everyone of us.
Do you not think Jesus suffered that same fear? Yet he faced his fear and died so that all of us could live abundantly. That dear readers is what Christianity is all about,and the ultimate gift of eternal life in Jesus. Jesus was an innocent man and if Vernon is truly innocent he has nothing to fear. If he is guilty, Jesus will pardon Vernon but first, Vernon must ask for pardon from Jesus and keep this within his heart then he can face his fear of death knowing that he has been pardoned.

2/01/2006  
Blogger philisophical said...

Remember Vernon, if you ask for pardon from above, it will be granted. Jesus was an innocent man. If you are innocent then you have nothing to fear. That is what the death penality is all about, reliving the victim's fears.
Jesus pardoned the thief on the cross because he was truly repentant and asked for a pardon. All he did was ask Jesus to remember him when he came into his kingdom. Jesus told the thief he would be with him in paradise. He was the repentant one while the other thief was not.
Just ask Jesus for help (only you know in your heart your guilt or innocence) Vernon and keep it in your heart.

2/02/2006  
Blogger Patrick Townson said...

This will be sort of long, and it is my intention to say why I do not believe either very long prison sentences [such as, for example, a 'life' sentence, or 50 years or similar] is ever appropriate and why a 'death penalty' sentence is generally wrong without the explicit consent of the person being executed.'

First of all, if a person does not know what prison is about the first day he gets sent there, it is doubtful he will know about it twenty or thirty years later.

If a prison is going to serve any therapeutic purpose at all -- and that was the original meaning of the wordpenitentiary -- a place to hopefully practice and become penitent or sorry and ashamed of one's behavior, that cannot happen as they are run now.

Assuming that the anti-social behavior Vernon and other prisoners similarly situated are accused of is correct -- a big 'if' in many cases and assuming our overall intention is to rehabilitate if all all possible such persons then why are we tossing them in together in a penal setting? If we were sick for any reason, we would go to a doctor for treatment, a personal and private matter. We would not sit around in the doctor's waiting room spreading our illnesses around to others also waiting.

First. let's consider length of time in prison, and let's call our prisoner Mr. John Doe. This is just my personal opinion, but I believe most prisoners either will or will not be rehabilitated in a period of several months or perhaps one or two years, max. But John Doe should receive intensive therapy during that period and not be routinely in association with other prisoners. His therapists or teachers would provide him with a modicum of ways to survive in the world. For some (many? most?) prisoners things like teaching them to read and write (both skills woefully lacking in many prison populations) would be important. So many people in the outside world do not realize that often as not, crimes (at lesst crimes of violence -- about the only ones which call for prison punishment) are not committed by people who wake up one day and say "I am going to go out and rip off some old lady's purse for the hell of it" or "I am going to go out and buy drugs (rape/molest, etc) someone for the hell of it". If people came out of prison having learned from the experience and with a job waiting for them and a family and a home, chances are they will not go back to prison.

So it may be too much to expect of the Corrections Industry, which, after all, depends on its livelyhood by taking in as many prisoners as possible, but I would definitly try to set my aim at keeping folks out of repeat visits -- recidivism -- to prison. You make their necessary visits to same short, and sweeet and heavy on therapy. Prisoners do not need to associate with each other as a routine thing. Whatever got me here to prison is none of your concern, nor is whatever happened in your life any concern of mine. Mostly I would keep prisoners isolated in their cells for that reason. Our purpose here is to repair your life style, not have inmate social events like basketball games, movies, free time to chat with other inmates, etc. Of course that is assuming you are giving the inmates short, more bearable sentences. We are not planning to keep you here for ten or twenty years, we are talking about keeping you here for six months to a year. We want you to get out while memories of the world as you knew it are still fresh in your mind. I would rather have you back in the world for a fresh start while the technology and your work skills were still relevant if I am to have any hope at all that you will not re-offend.

Now I sort of approve of the 'three strikes and you are out' concept. Our fictional prisoner, John Doe came in prison the first time with a relativly clean sheet as those things go. Some minor offense ... but under my proposed system there would be no probation, no court supervision, etc; I would just say penitentiary for one and all. John Doe serves his three or six months in an intensive setting, hopefully never to return. A big task in his final month or two of incarceration would be to insist he have employment somewhere on his release, support from his family if he has one and housing. I dare say the authorities could issue him a debit card with several hundred dollars on it to 'tide him over' through getting a job and an apartment, etc.

I know the Illinois Department of Correction would never go along with this; they earn their living by having the same old repeat offenders back all the time, but at least some correctional officials are not as corrupt as the ones in Illinois.

Now our John Doe did not quite catch the routine the first time around and he gets sent back a second or a third time. On his second and third time around, the time of incarceration grows a little, and we continue his therapy where it left off the first time. Now he has been in prison three times, each time for sort of heinous crimes ... and he gets convicted a FOURTH time, for something simple and basically not too offensive, such as shoplifting.

I can hear your complaints now: a Four Time Offender! Some would propose executing him, but I suggest this: Any judge in any court would have the authority to suspend the 'three strikes' rule for a fourth time. As a therapist for John Doe while in prison, my inclination would be to congratulate him, "Good John! You have started to learn your lesson haven't you? Before your crimes were quite heinous, now this time around you are just into petty stuff again!" (For murders and other violent crimes I would not just give six months or one year sentences; maybe three or five year sentences to start with.)

After three times around (or a fourth time if any judge used his discretion to allow it; concievably even a fifth time if the crime was 'petty enough' and approved by a relatively high court) now here comes John Doe back again:

At this point we say to John in effect like this: "John, you have claimed your innocence a few times, and we have tried to work with you. Now, we have reached the point where we can do so no longer. Maybe it is our own shortcomings as a society, God help us, or maybe in fact you have been guilty even once or twice? of the various offenses charged to you. But in any event you can no longer be part of our society ever again. So within the next thirty days you have to reach a decision or we will reach one for you.

You can either decide to accept the remainder of your life in prison -- in a warehouse setting -- with others who have chosen the same thing, or you can be put to death, you will make the choice. You can choose to be hung, to be gassed, electrocuted, or lethal injection, as you wish. If you require us to make the choice, we will use 'lethal injection' because our experts have told us that is the least painful and vindictive, but we would prefer that you choose, a method of death or permanent incarceration in a warehouse like setting. You can even commit suicide at any time during this month if that is your choice. We are not trying to 'get even' John, it is just that in our own human limitations we see no way to work with you any further as a member of our society.

During this final month of your
'semi freedom' you will be locked up here, but you will have any books or other literature you wish brought to you at any reasonable hour. You will have a telephone at your disposal, and John, we strongly encourage you to seek counsel from your friends and family on what to do. You can be in contact with your attorney as you wish, or perhaps your pastor or other advisors. But John, we must order you to make absolutely no contact with the families of your victim(s) or otherwise abuse your telephone priviledges. That will cause you to lose the use of the telephone.

In the event we were somehow wrong or you wish to seek pardon for your crime(s), your attorney will know the procedure to use if you call him.

And John, your choice is due in thirty days. If, during that thirty days we find you dead in your cell,we will know you chose the way to end your dilemma. If we do not find you dead, then on day thirty we will ask for your answer, and lacking recieving same we will use lethal injection. If we receive an answer from you about your preference, you may assume it will be handled that way within a few days of that point.

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Now I do not know about the other readers here, but given a choice of being executed (or committing suicide) or life in prison, I would be inclined to go with the former, since death -- as awful, I suppose as it would be -- still does not scare me nearly as much as a lifetime in prison.

Public responses welcome.

Patrick Townson

2/02/2006  
Blogger Angelo Luminoso said...

Hi Vernon, I am Angela, an Italian Girl. I'm sorry for English, but I can't speak very well.
The death sentence is not right, because the man is not nobody for killing an other man. If you a guilty, you are the example that the man can change, after hir errors. Are you humans, no?

2/02/2006  
Blogger FreeButterfly said...

Hi, I'm Claudia from Argentina.
I really thank god because in my country death sentence is illegal. I'm against this aberrant punishment...
If you're guilty, I think you have enough punishment spending your life in jail... And maybe you can understand what you did and why you did it. I don't justify a death, neither yor victim's death nor yours...Prison is a place that must give you the possibility to learn, and to understand what is wrong... youR punishment... confinement... not death.
If people who is posting comments supporting the death sentence, believe in god, i think they don't understand god's message... Hitler believed in god and think if his actions agreed with lord message.
I'm sorry for my English, I do just what I can!!!
God bless you Vernon, in the bottom of your heart i think you feel sorry and i'm sure god will forgive you. You don't know me, but i'm with you, holding your hand on feb 6th, as a lot of people.
SAY NO! TO DEATH SENTENCE.

2/03/2006  
Blogger Ariel said...

No puedo creer que en vuestro país el estado pueda cometer crímenes en representación del pueblo... Me quedo con el mensaje de la película "Mientras estés conmigo"... ¿Es necesaria tanta muerte?

2/03/2006  
Blogger Jim Goetzinger said...

Good bye Vernon, we won't miss you!

If you were there which was proven, then you must die along with all your cohorts of that cowardly crime. You drug dealing punks think you can't be snitched on or hurt, well you guessed wrong didn't you? Of course this shows how stupid drug dealers are didn't look for cameras or witnesses. Its a wonder you didn't try the normal "I was born a poor black child with no daddy and a mom on welfare and drugs" just like all the other dope dealers do, you piece of shit. You are extremely lucky it wasn't one of my family, you would never have made it to court. I would have hunt you down and made it "public and messy" to teach your kind not to fuck with law biding people.

2/05/2006  
Blogger john said...

Jim Ah well then you would have landed up on death row yourself wouldn't you ?

2/05/2006  
Blogger john said...

To "expert RN" You would be quote "thrilled" to kill someone and you are a doctor?? Well I am a qualified British psychologist and I have to ask you if you get an erection every time you see a blooded car accident?? One thing is to do a miserable job professionally another thing is to enjoy it. If you enjoy killing people I would seriously question if you are following the right career path.

2/05/2006  
Blogger Jim Goetzinger said...

sorry John I would not have, I am a decorated Navy veteran that would have spent a weekend in a VA hospital, because I would have said I had a flashback of Panama (operation Just Cause) and said he looked like Manuel Noriega and would have been left off the hook.

So for all the stupid drug dealers out there that think they would get away with this like Vernon thought think before you pull the trigger, because one of your victims may have a serviceman connected to them and the Government hates to put away their service men.

2/05/2006  
Blogger Jim Goetzinger said...

Oh and by the way Vernon, and family, I will be outside the "bookings" laughing and cheering as the chemicals are pumped through your veins, asshole.

2/05/2006  
Blogger john said...

Jim well, a good reply, but perhaps it does show that anyone can kill given the psychological background. I would add that a significant number of drug users take drugs to blot out the emotional pain of serious child abuse and if I understand correctly Vernon was raped and beaten consistently throughout his childhood. That was not a very good social education was it? A double tragedy if they execute an innocent man and there is witness evidence that he was not the killer.

2/05/2006  
Blogger john said...

My God, Jim Who hurt you that you could be so vindictive? And to be cruel to Vernon's family too who with the exception of Vernon's abuser are innocent parties. Wow that hurts.

2/05/2006  
Blogger john said...

and Jim if you think you could escape justice for murder so easily as to say, being in the forces, you had had a flashback then that rather supports the argument that the death penalty is unfairly applied...so it should not be applied at all. You are the perfect example to support this argument.

2/05/2006  
Blogger Expert RN said...

To "expert RN" You would be quote "thrilled" to kill someone and you are a doctor?? Well I am a qualified British psychologist and I have to ask you if you get an erection every time you see a blooded car accident?? One thing is to do a miserable job professionally another thing is to enjoy it. If you enjoy killing people I would seriously question if you are following the right career path.

John-
I have to wonder if you are reading any comments at all or just merely attempting to psychoanalyze everyone who disagrees with your point of view. I never stated that I'd be thrilled to kill someone- merely that I'd be thrilled to help insert an IV to allow that justice be served.
Secondly- being a female- No I don't get an erection at car accidents. So sorry to disappoint you!
You claim to be a "qualified" psychologist yet you apparently feel that your opinion is the only one with any importance. I do hope that you are more professional with your patients.
Responding to your statement- it is one thing to do a miserable job professionally? I am an educated professional RN whose skills have been highly sought out. I do a fantastic job, and have received many awards and commendations.
One thing I didn't mention is that I have experience working in a prison environment so my thoughts and beliefs are based upon experience.Nearly every inmate inside claims to be "innocent" and was "framed". According to your beliefs (and Patrick's) if we set free all those who claimed to be inncocent- the world would be ruled by savage, amoral people. If that is the kind of world you'd like to live in (and raise your children in) than that is your choice. Maybe you and Patrick can open up a clinic based upon his idiotic ideas of punishment and rehabilitation. We'll see how long it takes you to change your mind when you have some real exposure to these types of people, instead of only idealistic notions.

2/07/2006  
Blogger jess said...

I sat here and read through all your comments both for and against the death sentence. I have my own opinion on the death sentence and thats not what I really want to say here now. What I want to say is how can some of you be so pissed off about what Vernon "suposively" did?? No I am not saying that what he did was right or wrong....but what about that witness that WASN'T brought forth to testify? I have read books that were written by inmates while they were in prison and after they got out I honestly belive that a person behind bars for any length of time can be reformed into a God loving person. I belive that Vernon has been in there long enough and feels great remorse for what he has done IF he did it. I am also glad to see that a motion for a stay of execution has been brought forth and that there is a chance Vernon will not be put to death. As for "expert RN" you have a job to do no matter where you work whether it be a prison, hospital, or Dr.'s office you do what is asked of you because that is your profession. There seems to be people on here that are saying stuff to get your "goat" so to speak.
I will check this site now on a daily basis and if any one disagrees with me then so be it you have a right to YOUR opinion as the rest of us do ours. I will not change my opinion about this because someone disagrees with me. Most of you have talked about God and what not but what about our rights? Prisoners have no rights in prison and if they do get released from prison they have to wait 10 yrs before they even have a chance to get their rights back and thats after they have stayed out of ALL trouble then they have to ask for a pardon. So leave Vernon alone he knows you have a right to your opinion and he understands what he is accused of is wrong.

I just say give the man a break he has been in there a LONG time.

By the way......what would you do if your family member was in his shoes? How would you feel?? Think about that and then reply.

2/07/2006  
Blogger john said...

To expert RN Ha! It is a common misconception to point a finger at a psychologist psychotherapist and say I am "psychoanalysing" you. I don't know you so I could not do that and have not attempted to do so. Clearly that would have involved your childhood. I have explained the role of projection to some. Regarding yourself I worked with YOUR word "thrilled." Perhaps you could consider defining your vocabulary better. I can only work with what you tell me.

2/08/2006  
Blogger john said...

To expert RN Oh I forgot to mention, I have worked with psychotic people in mental hospitals both perceptionally ill and mentally ill (I have even been physically attacked by a few) and I do not agree with your interest in execution.

2/08/2006  
Blogger john said...

To expert RN And I see no difference between being "thrilled" to insert a needle that you know is being inserted with the express intention of killing someone, and killing them. That is an absurd distinction to make. A doctor signs an oath to preserve life, not kill.

2/08/2006  
Blogger Jim Goetzinger said...

Buddy have you ever been on the opposite end of a gun? with the barrel pointed at you? Whether it is war or a contract killing it is not a pleasant feeling. Who gives two shits if Vernon was not the trigger man? He was there and he had a gun in his hand. He could have shot the other man and plead out his case in court, probably would have been given a medal. problem with you type of armchair quarterbacks is that you never have been shot at or had a gun pointed at you. The witness was never introduced in the trial, because he/she was a defense witness that failed to show, not states fault to get them. Now the witness states that after all these years that Vernon did not do the shooting. Please, I got a bridge in Brooklyn I "own" that I would like to sell you!

On a seperate note, everyone in prison finds God, especially when someone that is on Death Row has no other way out, I think its good that he makes peace with God, cause he will see him very very soon.

2/12/2006  
Blogger john said...

Jim, What a load of crap really !! I have been shot at by terrorists in Spain if you must know. There is still the bullet hole in the window frame, a bullet that missed my head by an arm's length in ETA's "Campaign of Little War." when in addition to other little pranks, they tried to kill my wife. It is true I could not join the regular forces when I was young because of the epilepsy that my violent and murderous adoptive parents gave me. But in a branch of Military Intelligence, where I worked for six years before I became a psychologist, and in Military Intelligence your "life" in the field is only 24 hours (so you by comparison have had a cushy time !) they did not care that I had (controlled) epilepsy. I can assure you I have been shot at. Many times in fact. Does not change my view on the cruel and unjust death penalty one iota old boy ! Don't ask me about the work as you know, being a military man, that I cannot tell you about intelligence matters however old they are. Suffice to say, I do know what live combat is, I am not an "armchair quarterback" as you suggest,and I am dead, if you pardon the pun, against the death penalty because innocent men can be wrongly killed. It's as simple as that. You do not care if Vernon was the "trigger man" or not. You want him killed even if he is innocent. There are a lot of human beings here who do care, and I am one of them. Can't comment on your religious views because I am not religious.

2/13/2006  
Blogger john said...

Funny! I thought this blog was about the death penalty and not about Jim Groznig and his on-line military acumen of killing people he does not like with his "hunting down" and "public and messy=! But if you really want to show off, the last time I was invited to the Police ranges, I put 30 pistol rounds out of 30 of 9 milly through moving target bulls at 40 yards.
Boring isn't it. And completely irrelevant to this web page.

2/14/2006  
Blogger Jim Goetzinger said...

John, you never bothered to look at the facts, he was identified by four other witnesses as being there with a gun in his hand, his only defense witness choose herself not to show until 30 years later, religion is found by each and every inmate when spending abnormally long times in prison, as for your military service intelligence field is a far cry from being in the thick of it friend, no military institution sends intelligence blokes to the field, it is gained by operatives (sas or sis ring a bell) as for you working for MI5 or 6 who cares, I did so much for my cousins across the pond, and believe me, with your attitude you couldn't have been with them or the other units of her majesty's service that I cannot mention the names of. Someone with a candy ass attitude like yours wouldn't last 10 seconds in the Queens service.

John if you are a open minded man like you say, all the facts to the case are here for the reading, if you really want to read the unaltered account of that day in 1983 just look at the court papers for the case which everyone associated with Vernon has tried to block the public from gaining access to, but failed.

Anthony Grandison testified that he and Evans did the shooting and he knows he has already made his mind up, Vernon is made out to be a superhero because he was there and didn't shoot with a gun in his hand. please?

The facts of the case are here, for you to make up your mind, if you are man enough to face the facts.

2/16/2006  
Blogger john said...

JIm. You are mis-informed about the role Military Intelligence can play. If you were a real soldier you would know that the little I have said is true. You are not going to trap me into discussing and revealing methods and details of secret work to prove a point to you, by winding me up with a load of crap. I know you talk crap and that is good enough for me. Although there is sharing "across the pond" as you put it, We do not need your nutty type to train our operatives in field work thanks so much. We have our own resources. You did "so much" for us ??!! Ha ha ha !!! and "Ring a bell" you arrogant idiot. What a cheek. I doubt things have changed much from my days in the field that go back to before you were even born. Talk about teaching your grandmother to suck eggs. I can only laugh at you, at both your opinions and your arrogant ignorance and as I said before, this blog is nothing to do with bullets etc. Think what you like about M.I. I don't mind. But I know what you are.

2/16/2006  
Blogger john said...

To Jim. One little gem of insight I will risk here is that very old SAS friends of mine do not have a lot of respect for your bull in a china shop approach. With the one exception of your Special Forces boat squadron, for which there is respect, the "so much help" you mention, probably goes in the other direction.

2/16/2006  
Blogger john said...

To Jim. You brought up this (irrelevant) subject about being shot at, trying to make me look naiive, so I feel fully justified in saying what follows. I think you have lied to me about you facing incoming fire; living in a fantasy world, because of one simple error you made. Something you said to me. You said, and I quote "Have you ever been on the opposite end of a gun... never been shot at...it is not a pleasant feeling..." Bullshit Jim. In all the times I have faced real bullets I never had time to feel "it is not a pleasant feeling" That is for the story books you fill your head with. In real combat,you are too busy to feel that crap. You are either getting the job done, protecting equipment, or too busy surviving. As others at this site have said, you are an arsehole. More so for lying.

2/16/2006  
Blogger john said...

More reflectively, while us professional, or ex in my case, soldiers (that's excluding you pal) are quietly pleased with our service records, you try to impress everybody flashing your yourself around like a tart magazine. And you wonder why everybody calls you an "arsehole" Ha ha! You're pathetic that's why !!

2/16/2006  
Blogger chubbymb said...

Hi Vernon, I shot heroin and coke
in the Wash.- Balt. area for 30
yrs. I now have advanced stages of
hep-c. I have been locked up in
Maryland, Lorton, and northern Va.
I have friends in the Md. penitentiary and other Md. prisons.
I am a 55 yr. old white male and
had many fights with preditorial
inmates over the yrs. The point is
I never was a violent felon. I and my friends always excepted our consequences when convicted. I hope
you have enjoyed your 5 minutes of
glory. I pray that in the next life you will be all you can be. Life is fair to no one. I am truly
sorry that whatever brought you on the losing end.I do pray that these
blogs have touched one young one.

2/17/2006  
Blogger john said...

Hello Jimbo I have some info for you Ha Ha Ha !! I just had a phone call from one of my old SAS mates in England and I told him about Killer Grotz. He said you'd be be "weeded out straight away. RTU'd Mentally Unstable" !! Beautiful. Sums it up nicely. Killer Grotz ia an arsehole. Official !! Who wants Killer Grotz buggering up "hearts and minds" !! "Public and messy" you said !! In Special Forces you don't leave calling cards. You haven't got the intelligence to be a professional soldier. I didn't need my SAS mate to tell me that, but at least I got a second opinion. You said that I couldn't have lasted 10 seconds in MI. Why then, after six years of service, did they beg me to stay on when I did not want to sign on for more?? I still have the correspondence asking me to stay on !! But you? RTU'd. You'd never have got in. Ah I don't suppose you even know what RTU means !! It means Returned To Unit as unfit for Special Forces service. Well at least you've got entertainment value !!!

2/17/2006  
Blogger chubbymb said...

Hey John and Jim, why don't u take
your love affair to another site,
phone, or maybe even in person and bicker and reminicsk like an old married couple in person.

2/18/2006  
Blogger john said...

To chubby Killer grotz wanted to kill Vernon. No way am I going to remain silent on that. Read the blogs above.If someone calls you an "arsehole" with a "candy ass attitude" just because you are against killing people, I am going to speak my mind. OK?

2/18/2006  
Blogger john said...

To chubby. Jim, who most people use his own vernacular, "arsehole" against him, also declared that he wants to kill people like you. Drug takers. Read the other sections. And he uses as an argument that he knows best because he is a soldier. He's not. No professional army would take a mentally unstable character like that. Not in the Professional Army I was in. Now do you understand what the bash is about. He like to kill you "public and messy" to use his crass vocabulary.

2/18/2006  
Blogger john said...

And a word to the wise. I'd keep quiet about who you are and where you are if I were you. There are some pretty hostile individuals who come onto this site.

2/18/2006  
Blogger chubbymb said...

Hey Vernon, I pray u have found
Christ, the end is near, muslims killng christians and vice versa.

2/19/2006  
Blogger adriana said...

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2/22/2006  
Blogger adriana said...

Jim Goetzinger:
"I would have hunt you down and made it "public and messy" to teach your kind not to fuck with law biding people"

you would no longer be one of those "law abiding people" then would you?

2/22/2006  
Blogger adriana said...

"To expert RN And I see no difference between being "thrilled" to insert a needle that you know is being inserted with the express intention of killing someone, and killing them"

I have to agree with him,I don't see the difference either. It seems that as a nurse you should be concerned with saving lives? I'm not trying to sound mean or argumentative-I see both sides,and I almost wish that I didn't. I'm studying corrections in school-I want to work in a prison or perhaps a juvenile facility. I want to help people, no matter what they did.

2/22/2006  
Blogger Disgusted Citizen said...

Let me start by saying that I find it incredibly disgusting that "racism" even comes into play when discussing the execution of someone who killed two innocent people. If I hear one more person getting away with murder because of the color of their skin, I'm going to blow my mind. These people don't want the color of their skin and/or race taken into consideration any other time... unless it is convenient. On another note, I am the sister-in-law of Susan Kennedy's best friend. Susan's murder occured over 2 decades ago and I don't hear anyone's concern for the feelings of Susan's family and friends who lost someone very cherished to them. Ask them how they feel 2 decades later. Do you think the pain has subsided? Well I can tell you it has not. Vernon Evans has been able to wake every morning and enjoy contact with other human beings. Being the child of an ex-prisoner, I can honestly say their are people on in our own back yard who only wish to have half the luxuries, such as food and a warm bed to sleep in. Here this man who undoubtedly murdered 2 innocent people sits playing the "POOR ME" game. It's disgusting. I don't hear anyone talk about the fact that Susan Kennedy wasn't even one of the people who was supposed to be killed!!! It was her sister. However, Susan unknowingly went to work for her that night and lost her life at the hands of Vernon Evans. I don't want to say this, however, maybe some of those protestors need to lose a loved one at the hands of another human being, WHETHER THEY BE BLACK, WHITE, PURPLE, OR GREEN....and see what they have to say then.

2/27/2006  
Blogger Kristen said...

Hi, I'm Kristen. I have been against the death penalty all of my life for a lot of reasons. First and foremost in my mind is that, whether the person on death row is guilty or innocent, their family is forced to go through this ordeal not dissimilar to the plight of the family of the murder victim. They are also innocent individuals who have to watch helplessly as someone they love is taken from them. How is this fair? They have done nothing wrong, and in this country you cannot be punished for the crimes of your relatives (it's in the Constitution, so it's law). How is this not a punishment? Honestly, I would hate to have to live out the rest of my life staring at bars and bricks, not being able to determine what I get to do day in and day out. That is far worse punishment that death to me. You are being denied everything that you have taken for granted living in America. Choose your arguement (I have more), either way you see my point about the "usefullness" of the death penalty.

5/12/2006  
Blogger C.S. said...

Avoiding the death penalty because sometimes innocent people die is misguided. That is not a reason to abandon a system, if the system is good. Everything that functions for the benefit of society kills a few people - even hospitals.

I am however against the death penalty, along with all other forms of state-sanctioned killing, be they wars, death squads, police excess, denial of medical aid (directly or indirectly through inflated drug costs) - the only instance in which I approve of state killings is in the case of assisted suicide. The reasons are many and complex, but simply put, where do we think we get the right? Killing is one thing, claiming that it is right is entirely different. A "just killing" is like a "just war" - there is no such thing.

And that brings us to religion. I found it very telling about the nature of Christianity to read comments claiming that it is not in violation of the Bible to kill; that god "sanctioned many killings" and that the state killing somebody is somehow different than another murder. I'll tell you how it is different. Nobody is afraid the government may be lurking in their neighbourhood.

With even a smattering of knowledge of history it is obvious that religion is used to incite people to war and to equate the rulers or the state with deities of unquestionable integrity and judgement. Metallicamobes' claim - that God sanctioned killings, therefore the government may do the same - reveals precisely that belief.

My argument remains, as stated above - Where do you think you get the right? Who made us (or the government) God, and when did it happen?

5/15/2006  
Blogger Kristen said...

Curtis,
I whole-heartedly agree with you. As a Christian, I never understood how, just because we hide behind a banner of justice, we can flagrantly disregard "thou shalt not kill." I have always been one to push forgiveness over revenge or justice, as I, personally, have found it to be much more effective in fixing a problem. Not that I think everyone should just be let off, I do believe that there does need to be some sort of punishment, but if they can prove beyond a doubt that they have changed, then hasn't the prison system done its job? Killing someone won't bring back a loved one, and in my mind, although I can't speak from any personal experience, I can't see how that would bring any relief or closure to it all. I would be more worried about the guilt of knowing that I wanted someone to die so much that I may as well have pulled the trigger. Besides, there are far more effective ways or punishing someone than killing them.

5/15/2006  

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